Here comes your new homework:
1. straight line as a serpentine: now that you mastered straight lines too, it's time to show the dog they can come in different forms 🙂 Let's try angling the jumps as you can see in a video, still working on extension vs. collection. Keep angling the jumps all the way to a serpentine. You should still throw in some wraps to keep them attentive to possible collection cues.
Showing the angling in 4 steps, but try to go even more gradually and make it a serpentine in 6 or 7 steps:
With long-strided dogs, 10 will be hard - so you can simply take the other entry instead.
3. let's check how far you have got with weave entries: send in your "top 5" - choose the 5 hardest entries your dog found, the 5 you are most proud of.
Yay! I can watch your video from the iPad!! 🙂
Strange… We didn’t change anything… And you still can’t see older videos?
Exactly! I can see this one but not the older ones…
How did you do this? I still can’t see some.
looks like so much fun,,
but my little guy murph has injured his Cruciate Ligament!!:(
So we are out of action for a good while now!!!
Oh, so sorry to hear about Murph’s injury… How did that happen? How long did they say it will take before he can run again?
No time yet..
We are on 2weeks house rest.. But there was 8 weeks said..
Iam going to put murph in for a MRI scan.. So I can find out more info.. And make a plan of recovery.
We are missing are fav show of the year next week:-((.
So any have any adive for a recovery plan when we get there:-).
Oh, poor little Murphy! I hope he will get better soon and have a complete recovery!!
Sorry to hear about Murph. If memory serves me right, when my dog had a cruciate injury I was told an MRI scan would only tell me if it was totally torn. The vet said it could look good even when they scope it but the interior of the ligament could be torn. He said it was like a fallen log. The exterior could look great but the inside was rotted. He said they were working on a way to shine a light and get a refractive measurement to know if it was good or not. Unfortunately the procedure had a long way to go before it was ready. This was about 2 yrs ago. More than one holistic vet has said if it’s partially torn they can heal it. The ortho vet says once torn, even partially, it won’t heal. Wish they’d get together on what they say. They do both agree that if it’s totally torn, or even mostly torn, than surgery is required for the repair. What does your vet say? I elected not to have surgery, went with rest, holistic, and rehab. So far he’s doing great.
I Still do not know any more info..still waiting for the scan. And they want to have a look at his spin too.
I want to try rest frist… Hopefull that will do the job.
Thanks for the info hope ur dog is all ok now.
Sinead -- crossed fingers for Murph and for you!!!!! I love your videos.
Oh boy, bad news from Murph! 🙁 I hope he will get better soon!
Silvia I have a question: did you say ” left when she goes from 5 to 6? Or ” tik” ?
If you said ” left will it be confusing for Jin if I will say that because she also knows this command from our puppyclass with spinning? (left and right)
Good question. For me I will say left. Because she know this word cue from herding training. And I allready use it in agility. So it’s not a problem for us.
Jonina, if you read our assignments for lesson 6 from puppy class, Silvia suggests to use left and right for spinning, saying those 2 verbal cues will be useful also on courses. So I guess this is actually the way she teaches the two directions…
I was wondering about the left and right cues too. I am teaching it as a spin, but I do not know how to go from a spin to a turn on course. I don’t want her to spin on course if I say the verbal. Clarification on this would be very helpful 🙂 as I don’t know what to do once she knows the spins in both directions.
Just use it on obvious places. If she spins, ignore it and keep running. Dogs are smart, give her two trainings and she will figure it out 🙂
I am a little confused. It looks like when you say cik or cap the dog wraps. That is not what you want from 5 to6
Is that why you don’t say cik there? My dog doesn’t know left, right. Only jump or cir cap. What do I say from 5 to 6?
Yeap, 5 is left (jump left in extension) or, you can simply say jump and then cik for 6. Cik/cap is not necessarily full wrap -- we do full wraps at the beginning to teach them the importance of tightness, but then use it any time we need tightness. But what happens after landing close for cik&cap depends on our body language, it doesn’t mean to come back.
I taught it that way too. I started by giving the left cue with one jump he spun a few times then seemed to get that the jump was involved. I then did the same with the right. I also taught him coming off the DW into the tunnel. I m happy with his progress although it isn’t complete yet.
Yes, I said left -- would say cik for Bi who has extremely long jump, but left is enough for others. I teach it as a spin and then start using it on courses, whenever I can support it with body language too at first. They usually first ignore the verbal and go with the body language, but at one point the light bulb goes on and they get it it’s the same direction as for spinning, only that for some less degrees 🙂 I don’t mind if they’re somewhat confused for a training or two, it’s a part of a learning process 🙂
I always print out your instructions for the lessons, so I can refer back to it later on, especially things that I didn’t even work on yet. Is there a way I can save your video clips to my computer? That would really help me to keep working on excercises and later on the sequences, I have trouble reading those little maps. Thanks 🙂
Jennifer, open Silvia’s videos on youtube and use keepvid to save the video. You need to put the video URL on http://www.keepvid.com and then you can download it.
It’s not only difficult to remember the sequences, but also the handling moves. I need a lot more practice 🙂
Have fun on your trip to the Netherlands!! and cool off!!
It has been unbearable here too and won’t cool off until November. Phew!
I am going home to Germany in September (soon!!) and am looking forward to cool weather and wearing normal clothes again 🙂
🙂 yes, we def need some cool weather now! I’m also going to spend a few days in Berlin, from aug.30th to sept.4th.
Have a safe trip! Bye!
Laura are you coming to the Netherlands? When? And where? I live there! 😀
Hey Jonina! I’m coming tonight… I’m at the airport right now and the flight is delayed… 🙁
I will be close to Arnhem until monday, then I will be going to Germany. I have a 2 day seminar with Emily Larlham at the De Laar dog school on Aug.27-28. I thought someone lived in The Netherlands, I just didn’t remember who… There are so many classmates now…
Where do you live? Do you think we can meet?
We will be landing in Koln tonight and then move to Nijmegen. Tomorrow we are pretty much free. Let me know! 🙂
Oh, if you don’t mind, could you answer through facebook because I receive notification on my cell phone from FB. I don’t always use the iPad to check messages here. Thanks!
Thank you Laura and Jennifer. I wasn`t brave enough to ask for a possibility to save the videos. The videos really help a lot. I`ll try to save them.
Birgit, how is Fine doing?
keepvid.com wanted $30 for software, so I googled it and used saveyoutube.com instead for free. It was easy to use.
You can also use keepvid for free. I do it all the time. Just skip that part that talks about buying the software and choose the “free” one. Anyway, good that you found another one… I guess it’s the same!
I checked… just in case… and it’s still free. Just copy and paste the URL where it says “Enter video URL or search here” and you can download it for free. Don’t worry about the part that says “Buy now”. 😉
Hi there everyone, what i do is set up my video camera and tape off the screen, so i can have it on me to watch anytime, even while waiting at school for our kids etc. Just another idea. happy training.
Thanks Alicia that’s a great idea!!
hm, I didn’t see the free version, but the other website worked just fine. Thanks again for your help 🙂
It was just like Silvia and Valerie suggested. A technical problem. Something like a spastik while breathing. I`m happy.
I will follow your tip with the videos.
Oh yeah, That’s great news!
Great news Birgit!!!! 😀
Super, Birgit! Good news!
This is our last training… I used one tunel and for the other one a jump because we don`t have 2 tunels… Acqua is throwing sometimes a bar, what do you do in those cases? should I ignore her until she has more confidence or correct inmediatly?
We did the serpentine movig one time the jumps… Acqua is still wide when she comes from a line…. any sugestions? thanks
Her wraps on 1 and 11 are amazing, great job! 4 is wider as I would want to, let’s practise it on that set up some more, first doing 3 and 4 only -- leaving her before 3 and leading out to 4 so that you can control it better -- and then gradually add more movement from your part and then also the tunnel (2). You can also practise similar situation by always ending a straight line with a wrap (as you do once in the video) when working on a straight line becoming the serpentine -- instead of rewarding her straight ahead. Rewarding straight ahead is good for dogs who have problems with obstacle focus, but Acqua has great obstacle focus and needs to practise wraps when coming with lots of speed, that’s why. But she can do it really perfectly when you can control it more (like 1 and 11). For bars: stop, reset and try again.
Here are my weave entries, I know I was late throwing the toy at the last entry. I ran perpendicular to the poles and found myself too far to throw in time. I also tried the kneeling down thing you did in your video. It was pretty funny the way he looked at me the first time so I thought I would show it to you. Do you think this is as fast as he is able to do weaves? Of course he goes much faster in channels, should I do more channel work?
Cool, nice weaves! I think he has great style and is fast enough, he doesn’t need channel anymore. That was too funny, how he looked at you when you keeled down. It’s good to know that now you can fall with no worries when he is in the weaves 🙂
Wow great weaves! I found it very cute who he looked at you when you kneeled down: ” Oops… are you fine?”:-D I will try that too!
But I don’t know where I can find the video of Silvia doing the kneeling down thing?
I do it in instructions video, when proofing Bi’s weaves.
A serpentine question:
when we get to step 4, how the dog can figure out from which side he has to jump (for the 1st jump in particular) ?
It’s always from the “normal” side, meaning that if he gets from the tunnel exit further away from you, then he is jumping first jump towards you, the second one away from you, the third towards you and takes the closer tunnel entry -- and the opposite.
OK, I got it.
And for a puppy handled by a beginner 🙂 , to help her read me, should I start adding to my verbal cue for jumping, a body cue ?
Yes, ideally you do both, verbal and body cue. But as long as you can get at least one in time, that’s pretty good for a beginner! 🙂
A frame question:
will it be included either in this class or in the RC class?
Running A-frame is included in RC class, 2on2off A-frame is discussed here together with DW.
I keep following the carpet exercice for now and you’ll let me know when we are ready for next steps.
So just don’t forget that I have chosen the running A frame too 🙂
You get A-frame for free when you train running DW 🙂 You can try running two planks now, just post it to RC class.
Salut Sylvia, je ne suis pas sur de tout comprendre avec la traduction google mais Sandrine va me traduire tout ce que tu as écrit. 🙂 je pense avoir compris que tu considères la serpentine comme une ligne droite c’est bien ça ? d’ailleurs j’aime beaucoup la progression de l’exercice. mais le problème c’est qu’il y a beaucoup de forme de serpentines. par exemple parfois sur le premier saut il faudra le prendre dans l’autre sens. ou alors passer entre les haies. et je me demande un peu comment le faire a pleine vitesse.
En fait la méthode que nous propose Silvia est une méthode très facile pour le chien qui permet de d’abord décomposer la serpentine au maximum. Puis en ajoutant progressivement de l’angle le chien saura toujours ou il doit aller et donc une fois tous les sauts droit, le chien saura exactement ou passer, sans avoir perdu de vitesse (lors de l’apprentissage).
Plus haut Silvia explique que tu va toujours prendre ce genre de serpentine avec le chien qui d’abord s’éloigne de toi, puis revient vers toi et pour finir s’éloigne à nouveau de toi. A toi de te placer de façon à ce que ton chien le fasse dans ce sens.
Après c’est sur il existe plusieurs autre sorte de serpentine, mais je pense que tu peux utiliser le même principe pour les apprendre à ton chien.
Par exemple si tu veux lui apprendre à chaque fois à revenir entre les deux sauts tu mettre d’abord tes sauts comme ceci:
l l l
\ \ \
et de plus en plus incliné, jusqu’à les avoirs comme ça…
_ _ _
Le but étant de décomposer un max, pour que ce soit simple pour ton chien à comprendre…
Après je ne sais pas si Silvia nous fera aussi voir ce genre de serpentine dans une prochaine leçon…???
Voici la traduction en français du cours…
j’espère que ça ira…
Voici votre nouveau devoir:
1. ligne droite comme une serpentine:
maintenant que vous maîtriser aussi les lignes droites, il est temps de montrer au chien qu’elles peuvent se présenter sous différentes formes. Essayez de mettre de l’angle aux sauts comme vous pouvez le voir dans la vidéo, continuez toujours à travailler sur les sauts en extension et les saut en collection (cik ou cap). Continuer a anguler les sauts de plus en plus, jusqu’à ce que ce que se soit comme une serpentine. Vous devez toujours continuer à faire quelques sauts enveloppés (CIk ou CAP) pour qu’ils restent toujours attentifs à vos signaux, au cas vous leurs demanderiez de se collecter pour faire un saut (cik ou cap).
Présentation de l’angulation en 4 étapes, mais essayer d’aller encore plusprogressivement et de faire la serpentine en 6 ou 7 étapes:
Avec les chiens qui ont une longue foulée, le 10 sera difficile -- donc vous pouvez simplement prendre l’autre entrée du tunnel à la place.
3. nous allons vérifier à quel niveau vous en êtes avec les entrées de slalom:
envoyez votre “top 5” -- choisissez les 5 plus dures entrées de slalom que votre chien aie réussies, les 5, dont vous êtes le plus fier.
Exactly. What I call a serpentine is always taking all the jumps from the normal side (from the dog is already at after the previous jump/tunnel). As it’s a straight line for me, I handle it as a straight line, with a “normal” hand -- a hand closest to the dog and just running, expecting the dog to jump in full extension and in full speed. When the dog needs to come in between, that’s the same set-up, but the exercise is not called a serpentine, but a threadle. We’ll address that in next lesson, we only do serpentines for now. But yes, you can’t do a threadle in full speed, you need collection there, so I would use cik&cap for a threadle, together with my opposite hand to cue collection. And if I wanted the dog to push out in between two jumps to the other side, I would say “around/back” and push with my foot&arm. I’ll post a video and explanation of all the three options in next session, for this one, we’re only doing straight lines/serpentines.
It makes so much sense but I have one question however, what if you need the dog to stay with you and not take the middle jump? So if the jumps are in a serp position and the dog needs to bypass the middle jump with you? How do you keep him/her beside you and not flicking away from you to take that jump?
I call them. When I want them to take the jump, my hand goes out a little and I say jump -- and when I want them to stay with me, my hand is close and I use my “come to hand” cue that tells them to NOT search for obstacles, but come in and wait until I put them back in obstacle focus. They know that cue very well, we need it a lot on European courses, so it wouldn’t be a problem at all. It would be harder if the dog is on the other side and I want to layer the middle jump. I don’t layer much, but if I absolutely wanted to layer that one, I would need a very strong body language, high hand (I would cue jumping towards me with low hand) and “go” verbal to keep them going straight vs. jumping towards me.
What is your ‘come to hand’ cue? I think it would be great to use here in some of our classes like Snooker where you have to by pass obstacles on course a lot. Will we be learning that cue in this class? I would be interested in learning it 🙂
With my students, we use something like “hand” as they’re not consistent enough with dogs’ names… I simply use the name of the dog and I use it for this purpose only on a course. We’ll start some of it in this class already yes, but we first need to work on obstacle focus some more -- that’s always first. When that one is good, it’s time to balance it with handler focus.
Traduction pour George:
Ce que j’appelle une serpentine c’est quand le chien saute du côté normal (en sortant du tunnel il se trouve d’un côté de l’obstacle). Comme c’est une ligne droite pour moi, je le traite comme une ligne droite, avec un signe de main normal -- la main la plus proche pour le chien -- simplement en courrant. Dans ce cas le chien doit sauter en pleine extension et à pleine vitesse.
Quand le chien a besoin de venir entre les deux, c’est le même set-up, mais l’exercice n’est pas appelé une serpentine, mais un threadle. Nous en parlerons dans la prochaine leçon. Et oui, une threadle ne peut pas se faire à pleine vitesse, vous avez besoin de collecter. C’est alors que j’utiliserai le cik&cap avec ma main opposée. Lorsque je veux que le chien parte en s’écartant de moi entre deux sauts, je dirai “autour” en l’indiquant avec mon pied et mon bras. Je posterai une vidéo avec l’explication des trois options lors de la prochaine session, pour celui-ci, nous ne sommes qu’à faire des lignes droites / serpentines.
j’espère que la traduction vous ira
C’est précisément la question que j’ai posé à Silvia ce matin! Si vous vous voulez je vous traduirai sa réponse. Au delà de la pleine vitesse, c’est comment avertir le chien de ce que l’on souhaite parmi les différentes options possibles?
j’ai hâte de connaître la réponse de Silvia.
Personnellement je pense que pour une serpentine simple comme celle qu’elle nous propose, le langage du corps suffit.
Après pour la serpentine ou on demande au chien de revenir à chaque fois entre les deux sauts… Si je me souvient bien Silvia va justement donner l’ordre CIK ou CAP pour aider le chien. Elle en parle dans son dvd sur les cik et cap justement.
En fait je comprends que notre question n’était pas la meme. Vous avez un bien meilleur niveau que moi!
si vous voulez je vous traduirai la réponse très intéressante de Silvia.
très volontiers! merci! ^_^
pas de souci j’ai quelques instants pour traduire le texte.
J’espère qu’on aura l’occasion de se rencontrer un jour sur un terrain de compétition, ce serait drôle de faire connaissance!